Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
All Church Study, Couples, In-Person
*All Church Study Couples Onsite Group - Connecting The Unconnected
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
All Church Study, Couples, In-Person
Group Description
Beginning January 27th, join us for a 7-week Couples Onsite Group during the Connecting the Unconnected all-church study! Each group will include 4–5 couples in a similar stage of life, gathering together in the West or Kidside Auditorium. We’ll kick things off each week with a short teaching video that unpacks the big ideas of the session, then your group will dive into the Bible and discussion using the Connecting the Unconnected study guide.
Study guides are $5 (pick one up in the lobby during weekend services or at the main office), or grab a free digital copy at mynorthside.com/ctu.
KidCare is available for children 5th grade and under at $10 per child per week, with a max of $20 per family. You can learn more about KidCare at mynorthside.com/groups.
After you sign up, we’ll send you a quick form to help us place you in a group and get KidCare squared away if you need it.
We grow best in community, and we hope you can join us during the Connecting The Unconnected series.
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
In-Person, Men, Women
*All Church Study Men's or Women's Onsite Group - Connecting The Unconnected
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
In-Person, Men, Women
Group Description
Beginning January 27th, join us for a 7-week Men’s or Women’s Onsite Group during the Connecting the Unconnected all-church study! Each Men’s or Women’s group will include around 8-10 people gathering together in the West or Kidside Auditorium. We’ll kick things off each week with a short teaching video that unpacks the big ideas of the session, then your group will dive into the Bible and discussion using the Connecting the Unconnected study guide.
Study guides are $5 (pick one up in the lobby during weekend services or at the main office), or grab a free digital copy at mynorthside.com/ctu.
KidCare is available for children 5th grade and under at $10 per child per week, with a max of $20 per family. You can learn more about KidCare at mynorthside.com/groups.
After you sign up, we’ll send you a quick form to help us place you in a group and get KidCare squared away if you need it.
We grow best in community, and we hope you can join us during the Connecting The Unconnected series.
On Site
Any Season, Men, Micro Groups
1st Steps Micro Group
On Site
Any Season, Men, Micro Groups
Group Description
We are Mike & Elbert. I, Mike, have been in Men's ministry for years. I teach the things I was taught by a few guys as a new believer at 30 years old. I taught this to Elbert a few years ago and now he wants to teach others.
No Bible knowledge needed & no pressure to share! Click "Join Group" and we will follow up.
Time: 1 hour weekly, 4 to 6 weeks
Place: We are flexible.
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
Jeffersonville, 47130
All Church Study, In-Person, Men, Singles, Young Adults
Aaron Eldridge
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
Jeffersonville, 47130
All Church Study, In-Person, Men, Singles, Young Adults
Group Description
Hi, my name is Aaron Eldridge. I grew up in southern Indiana before moving away for college. After graduation, I spent the next few years moving all over the country for work before getting an opportunity to settle back down in Jeffersonville and here at Northside. While I learned a lot from the moves, one of the lessons that has stuck with me the most is the value of deep community with other men who are walking through similar life seasons.
While the transition from young adulthood into just adulthood can be a challenging time, it can also be one of the most impactful and rewarding times in a man's life. This group is for unmarried men between the ages of 25-35 (plus or minus a few years) to grow deeper in authentic community with one another, deepen their faith with God, and encourage each other as we grow in our life, careers, and communities. Whether you are brand new to the faith or a seasoned Christian, this group welcomes you in with open arms and is here to help you take your next steps in growing closer to God and finding great men to walk alongside with.
We meet weekly on Tuesdays at my house in Jeffersonville, just a few minutes off of 265.
If you have any interest in joining the group, please click join group below and fill out the form. We look forward to seeing you soon!
Mondays at 7:00 PM
New Albany, 47150
In-Person, Singles, Young Adults, Women
Abigail Scott
Mondays at 7:00 PM
New Albany, 47150
In-Person, Singles, Young Adults, Women
Group Description
Hi! My name is Abigail! Our group is made up of single/unmarried women in our mid twenties who want to grow more in our personal relationships with Jesus, learn more about the gospel, and strive to be good disciples of Jesus everyday! In my free time I love playing tennis or pickleball, working out, hiking, reading, and cooking. I’ll be making dinner every week for the group and I’m excited to try out some new recipes! If you’re interested in joining, click “Join Group”, fill out the form, and I will reach out soon!
Thursdays at 4:00 PM
New Albany, 47150
All Church Study, Any Season, Women
Amy Frederick-Cooper
Thursdays at 4:00 PM
New Albany, 47150
All Church Study, Any Season, Women
Group Description
This women's group is a space to reflect, connect and support one another as we shine His light in our classrooms and beyond. We are made up of mostly teachers in every stage of life, from newly married with kids to empty nesters. We'd love for you to join us even if you're not a teacher! We are open to any women from any stage of life to join us! Seriously ALL women are welcomed!
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Tuesdays at 9:30 AM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Women
Dawn Spicer
Tuesdays at 9:30 AM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Women
Group Description
I am Dawn and am so grateful to be on staff here at Northside as the Women’s Minister and to have the opportunity to study God’s Word alongside other women. I truly love opening Scripture together, learning from one another, and growing deeper in our faith as a community. This group is a place for women from all walks of life to come as they are, be encouraged, and grow together. On Tuesday mornings, we will be walking through the All Church Study together, supporting one another as we seek to know God more and live out His Word.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Wednesdays at 10:00 AM
On Site
Any Season, In-Person, Women
Deb Slentz
Wednesdays at 10:00 AM
On Site
Any Season, In-Person, Women
Group Description
I’m Deb, a retired teacher. I enjoy gardening, art, traveling, and grandkids. My husband and I have attended Northside for about 15 years.
This is a newly established group for women in all seasons of life who want to learn and grow closer to God. We will meet after the holidays on Wednesday mornings at the church beginning January 21st. Come join us.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
New Albany, 47150
All Church Study, Couples, In-Person, Young Couples
Deryk & Macy Kennedy
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
New Albany, 47150
All Church Study, Couples, In-Person, Young Couples
Group Description
Deryk and Macy have been married for eight years and have two kids. They are from Southern Indiana, where they were both raised and returned after college. They enjoy diving deeper into church-wide sermons & series, scripture specific studies, and topical book studies. It is their goal that this group be one that wants to live life together. A group in which everyone can find not only fun and friendship through the good times but also help and guidance through the hard times. In addition to regular studies, they plan to coordinate Girls Nights, Guys Nights, Date Nights, Game Nights, and Cookouts throughout the year to develop relationships and create more opportunities to grow together in Christ in more informal ways. They highly encourage serving and would love to find something that the group feels passionate about doing together. To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
New Salisbury, 47161
Any Season, Couples, Empty Nest, In-Person
Gary & Laura Roberson
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
New Salisbury, 47161
Any Season, Couples, Empty Nest, In-Person
Group Description
Our Life Group has been meeting for a couple years. We are all hungry to learn more about Jesus' character, His plan for our lives, and ways to serve Him. We meet on Wednesday evenings and have pitch-in snacks beforehand while we share praises of what God has done that week. We have studied various topics by well-known speakers, as well as followed some of the Northside topics. We usually have a short video from the speaker, then discuss life applications. We end with prayer time listing people or situations with specific requests. We are empty nesters but would welcome a local couple of any season from the Corydon, Lanesville, New Salisbury, or Palmyra area to join us. To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Saturdays at 10:00 AM
Scottsburg, 47172
All Church Study, In-Person, Women
Jadyn Gay
Saturdays at 10:00 AM
Scottsburg, 47172
All Church Study, In-Person, Women
Group Description
Hi! My name is Jadyn Gay. I am a Special Education Coordinator at Grace Christian Academy. This group is for women in their 20’s and 30’s who want to deepen their faith in Christ. We’ll meet on Saturday mornings in Scottsburg at 10am at local coffee shops, parks, and other spots we decide on together. I’m married to my wonderful husband Bradley, and a mom to a sweet little girl Sydney. I’m excited to step into this next season together! To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Mondays at 6:30 AM
Scottsburg, 47170
In-Person, Men
Jason Bagwell
Mondays at 6:30 AM
Scottsburg, 47170
In-Person, Men
Group Description
We are a group of (mostly) educators in Scott Co. Indiana. We share a passion for leading our families and building each other up. We meet weekly to discuss a group-chosen book while enjoying coffee and fellowship.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Mondays at 6:30 PM
Clarksville, 47129
Childcare Available
Blended Families, In-Person, Moms Group, Parents with Kids, Young Families, Women
Jennifer Schnell
Mondays at 6:30 PM
Clarksville, 47129
Childcare Available
Blended Families, In-Person, Moms Group, Parents with Kids, Young Families, Women
Group Description
My name is Jennifer. I have been attending Northside since I was a child. I have been married to my husband, Steven, for 6 years. We have a 4 year old son, and I am a bonus mom to two boys, ages 10 and 11. In my free time, I like to read, run and spend time outdoors with my family. This is my first time leading a group, so I am stepping out of my comfort zone and following God's newest calling on my life. We will be meeting at my home in Clarksville. You are welcome to bring your children if needed.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Tuesdays at 6:30 AM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Men
Jim Brown - Northside Men
Tuesdays at 6:30 AM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Men
Group Description
Hi, my name is Jim Brown. I have been going to Northside since 2009 (baptized in 2012). I’ve been married to my wife, Ann, for 44 years and have 4 children (3 boys and 1 daughter). We have been blessed with 5 wonderful grandchildren. Three of which live close to us and attend Northside along with their parents. I am retired after working 40 years in sales with the same company. I enjoy all sports and play golf whenever I can. Ann and I also enjoy co-leading another small group together. We enjoy the many people we have met in our involvement at Northside. To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Tuesdays at 11:00 AM
Memphis, 47143
Couples, Seniors
John & Marsha Albert
Tuesdays at 11:00 AM
Memphis, 47143
Couples, Seniors
Group Description
We are a retired couple and would like to find community with other well seasoned couples in a seniors group. John is a retired pastor and has also driven trucks the last few years. Marsha has been a great partner in ministry and she has worked with young children her entire life. Northside has been our home for last 15 years. We love to entertain and desire to see people grow closer to God. To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
Blended Families, Couples, In-Person, Parents of Teens, Parents with Kids, Young Adults, Young Families, Young Couples
Katy Singleton
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
Blended Families, Couples, In-Person, Parents of Teens, Parents with Kids, Young Adults, Young Families, Young Couples
Group Description
We are a group made of couples and parents with kids of a variety of ages; but all are welcome! We all want to know Jesus personally and grow in His Word, together. We don't shy away from tough topics, awkward conversations, and big questions. We will always respond by asking "What does the Bible say?" We hope to continue growing together as we get messy with life. Come as you are! To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Wednesdays at 7:00 PM
Any Season, Online, Women
Marilyn Sink (Online Group)
Wednesdays at 7:00 PM
Any Season, Online, Women
Group Description
Hi, I’m Marilyn! I’ve been part of Northside since 2016, and I’m grateful for the connection and growth I’ve found here over the years. In this season of life, I serve as an Outreach Manager, supporting youth workers across Indiana and helping build stronger, more resourceful communities for young people. Though my schedule is full, I enjoy tending to my Tower Garden, practicing yoga, and spending time outdoors whenever I can.
Our group will be meeting virtually, making it easy to join no matter where you are or how busy life gets. We’re a warm, encouraging group centered on faith, fellowship, and supporting one another through life’s ups and downs. If you’re looking for a place to connect, breathe, and grow in Christ alongside others, we’d love to have you with us! To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
New Albany, 47150
Any Season, Interest-Based
Marty Tuck - Walking/Hiking
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
New Albany, 47150
Any Season, Interest-Based
Group Description
Hi, my name is Marty and this is a walking interest-based life group. My hope for this group is to build and strengthen a community of individuals through consistency in exercise, companionship, helping others, and spiritual growth. I ask God for the opportunity for us to have God’s grace, hope, love, and faith pour forth from us daily to those around us.
I have attended services regularly at Northside for over 10 years. I am a sports and recreation enthusiast but have become a little more sedentary in recent years. I am a single dad with a middle school aged daughter.
During spring, summer, and fall, our normal weekly walks are scheduled for Tuesday evenings at 6:30 at the Kevin Hammersmith Memorial Park (the park directly behind Northside). Winter walks are TBD. Generally, our walks are between 45 and 70 minutes. Along the way, we will discuss the weekly sermons and life in general, and include prayer.
I have a group set up on the GroupMe app to plan our walks and to communicate with the walking group. There is potential for group members to plan additional walks throughout the week with each other, and for us to plan some weekend walks or hikes throughout the year.
This group is open to those in all seasons of life (couples, singles, women, men, young and old, etc). Please make sure you are healthy for this type of exercise and take the necessary precautions for your well-being.
“There are plenty of difficult obstacles in your path. Don’t allow yourself to become one of them.” – quote from Ralph Marston
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Wednesdays at 10:00 AM
Online, Men
Men's Group - Tim Montgomery
Wednesdays at 10:00 AM
Online, Men
Group Description
I am Tim Montgomery and live in the Sellersburg area. I am currently a consultant that travels every week Monday through Friday. It is great going to church on Sunday, but I miss connecting with a small group. Obviously, travel makes it very difficult to attend a "traditional" small group. I am excited about starting a virtual small group for individuals in similar circumstances. I am looking forward to connecting with Men in similar circumstances. Sharing our unique trials given life on the road... how God can use us in our circumstances and grow our faith. I am married with three adult children, who are all living on their own (one married). Even though we will be a virtual group, I also look forward to finding some opportunities were we can connect in person.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Mondays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
Couples, Interest-Based, Men, Military, Singles, Women
Military Life Group
Mondays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Childcare Available
Couples, Interest-Based, Men, Military, Singles, Women
Group Description
My name is Billy Townsend and I am married with three children and one grandson. I have been attending Northside Christian Church since 2013. I am a graduate of the Reboot Combat Recovery course offered at Northside. I am presently employed with the State of Indiana working at the Work One office in New Albany, as the Disabled Veteran Outreach Program (DVOP) specialist. This new group we are starting is for Active Duty service members, Veterans, and their direct family members (Spouses and Parents). I am excited about this group and really feel that God is leading me and Northside in the direction of bringing veterans together so we can walk with each other through life as we understand the trials and obstacles veterans face daily. Veterans speak a distinct language that only veterans can understand. Veterans can also support and serve our community as a whole to bring that camaraderie that a lot of us miss from our time serving our country.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leaders will followup soon.
Mondays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Parents of Teens, Women
Misty Schraer
Mondays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Parents of Teens, Women
Group Description
Our group is filled with women who want to know Jesus personally. We’ve been together for over a year and are ready to dive deeper. We don’t shy away from tough topics, awkward conversations, or controversy...we lean in and always ask: “What does the Word say?” We’ve been known to laugh, cry, and pray loudly in this group...so all we ask is that you come exactly as you are! #nofilter We are so excited to meet the new women God will bring in our path.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Sundays at 1:00 PM
Charlestown, 47111
Childcare Available
All Church Study, Any Season, Couples, Parents of Teens, Parents with Kids
Paul & Stacy Kampschaefer
Sundays at 1:00 PM
Charlestown, 47111
Childcare Available
All Church Study, Any Season, Couples, Parents of Teens, Parents with Kids
Group Description
We are Paul and Stacy Kampschaefer. We’ve been married for 28 years and have two daughters. Our group is made up of married couples who are empty-nesters. We have one single person with no children. Our age range is thirties to 70s. Most of our group is in our 50s. We meet on Sundays from 1:00 to 3:00, usually every other week unless we are doing a church- wide study. We have social outings a few times a year, both as a whole group and for just the men and just the women. Our group works to connect with Christ and each other.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Thursdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, Any Season, In-Person, Men, Seniors, Singles
Rick Vieira - Northside Men
Thursdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, Any Season, In-Person, Men, Seniors, Singles
Group Description
Rick has been the Adult Ministries Pastor here at Northside since May of 2021. He is married and has one daughter who is in full-time ministry as well. Rick is originally from Connecticut and his wife Susie is originally from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, but they most recently arrived from Texas where he served as a Campus Pastor in Lubbock, TX. Rick is a huge sports fan and love all things outdoors. He believes God has a unique plan and purpose for all of us and loves to help people step into their calling and live the full life that God has for each of us. Click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and we'll be in touch soon. Let's see what God has in store for us!!
Thursdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Men
Roy Roberson - Northside Men
Thursdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Men
Group Description
Hey! I'm Roy and I'm privileged to serve as the Men's Minister here at Northside. I've been serving in the ministry (volunteer and vocational) since 1999 and I love Jesus, the church, my wife, and our sons and daughters-in-law.
If you're looking for a good men's group on Thursday nights, I'd love to have you join and get to know you. I love studying the Word and have seen true life change happen when iron sharpens iron and men learn and grow in community with one another! To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Thursdays at 7:00 PM
On Site
All Church Study, Any Season, In-Person
Scott Ham
Thursdays at 7:00 PM
On Site
All Church Study, Any Season, In-Person
Group Description
Scott & Heidi have a large small group, but love it, and they have great relationships with one another. The group started several years ago with nine members, who met at Northside via Connection Point. Since then, the group has grown from invites from members.
The members range in age from their 30's to their 50's and have kids of all ages (kindergarten through adult). They plan serve opportunities to do together, and most members help out in some area of the church in terms of volunteering and have introduced others to those areas, as well. These couples enjoy video studies and are choosing studies that ask the tough questions, as well as teaching different life lessons from Bible passages about trust, accountability, prayer, etc.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Tuesdays at 6:30 AM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Men
Steve Mason - Northside Men
Tuesdays at 6:30 AM
On Site
All Church Study, In-Person, Men
Group Description
Steve Mason and Scott Ham invite you to join this Northside Men Life Group.
We are both US Army Veterans that enjoy leading conversations and scripture in ways that challenge men to grow together. We look forward to encouraging each other, as we pray about our next steps in following Christ.
If you don’t have everything figured out that’s okay, neither do we, come grow with us.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
Jeffersonville, 47130
All Church Study, Empty Nest, Singles, Women
Susan Reinach
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
Jeffersonville, 47130
All Church Study, Empty Nest, Singles, Women
Group Description
Our group is mostly made up of women in their 60s, whose children are grown. Most of us are single. We all share a deep abiding love of God and want to share our experiences with each other to deepen our knowledge of His Word.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Wednesdays at 11:00 AM
In-Person, Men, Seniors, Women
Table Talk
Wednesdays at 11:00 AM
In-Person, Men, Seniors, Women
Group Description
Join us for new weekly discussion groups beginning again in February. Groups will meet on Wednesdays that don’t have a Senior Adult Lunch scheduled. We’ll start at 11:00, and will wrap up before 12:30 so everyone can leave and get lunch after.
The 2026 schedule is listed below.
February 11 - March 25
April 8 - May 13
August 12 - September 16
October 14 - November 18
Thursdays at 6:30 PM
Greenville, 47124
All Church Study, Any Season, Women
Taylor Cora
Thursdays at 6:30 PM
Greenville, 47124
All Church Study, Any Season, Women
Group Description
Hi, I’m Taylor! I am a wife and nurse practitioner, who loves being outdoors, playing board games, and experimenting with new recipes in the kitchen. This life group is inter-generational, embracing women in all stages of life so that we can learn from each other and share life experiences. Our heart is to foster a supportive community where we can encourage one another to deepen our individual relationships with Jesus and grow together in faith and friendship. To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
Borden, 47106
All Church Study, Any Season, Couples, In-Person, Singles
Terry & Connie Roudenbush
Tuesdays at 6:30 PM
Borden, 47106
All Church Study, Any Season, Couples, In-Person, Singles
Group Description
Connie and I have participated and lead many groups in our 33 years at Northside. Our group members all have older children, teens and above. We will meet mostly at the same address and will meet year round. We are open to anyone in any season of life that desires to grow in faith. We have a bible based study verses a video based study. We are also a participating group verses a one leader group, so we can all grow stronger in our faith by each person contributing thru their spiritual gifts.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, Any Season, Couples, Empty Nest, In-Person, Singles
The Tekulves & Hardens
Wednesdays at 6:30 PM
On Site
All Church Study, Any Season, Couples, Empty Nest, In-Person, Singles
Group Description
Tracy, Rose, Buddy, and Regina and their group enjoy serving in many different areas at Northside. Though the average age is over 55, we're all young-at-heart and welcome anyone who is looking to deepen their faith in community with others. Some have children-- at home and away, grandchildren, and we enjoy a variety of interests including music, cars, sports, and of course, food!
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will followup soon.
Mondays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Any Season, In-Person
Tim Ferree - Discovery Bible Study/Discipleship
Mondays at 6:30 PM
On Site
Any Season, In-Person
Group Description
My name is Tim Ferree. My wife and I have attended Northside for over 30 years. We raised 3 children at Northside who are now all on their own. Pam teaches 3rd grade at Christian Academy of Indiana. I recently quit teaching after 34 years and am now an International Trainer with the mission organization Discipleship Global. We train how to start Disciple Making Movements using simple, reproducible, biblically-based discipleship tools, most of which were put together by Curtis Sargeant. Millions have come to Christ through the application of these tools.
If you want to grow as a disciple, this group is for you! We use a Discovery Bible Study method 3 times a month to learn what the Bible teaches and encourage one another to obey its teachings. Every 4th week we learn basic lessons such as how to share the gospel in 3 minutes, how to share your testimony in 3 minutes, how to pray for an hour, how to read the Bible, how to have an accountability partner etc.. These tools are taught in a "hands on" fashion, so come ready to learn and participate.
To join this group, just click the "Join Group" button, fill out the form, and the group leader will follow up soon.